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Tim Boetsch and Mark Hunt Have Earned the Right for Something More

Feb 26, 2012 - Tim Boetsch's stunning third-round comeback victory over Yushin Okami last night was not the greatest comeback in UFC history. Frankie Edgar over Gray Maynard (II or III) or Frank Shamrock hammerfisting a kneeling Tito Ortiz en route to a TKO stoppage also stand out as a class above what happened at UFC 144.

There was also much to like in Mark Hunt's win over Cheick Kongo. But it wasn't entirely surprisingly nor does it move him realistically close to title opportunities.

What is true, though, is that both are accomplishing something very legitimate late in their careers. Both desperately wish to compete while they still can. Both are turning in performances that exemplify the athletic courage fight promoters crave.

Recognizing they still have limitations, both deserve to be rewarded by the UFC with big, winnable fights.


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I'm not suggesting we pretend they are something they are not. Hunt is closer to 40 years of age than he is 30. Boetsch showed clear defensive weaknesses against Okami in the first two rounds of their fight. The success of Boetsch and Hunt is more about making us reconsider what they have left, not proving they are something we never properly recognized.

Yet, neither deserves to be cynically dismissed. It would be promotional malpractice to place either in a predicament where they were at the bad end of a stylistic disadvantage. It would equally be a disservice to have them face the division's cream of the crop (Boetsch should get close, however).

Whatever the UFC chooses for Hunt and Boetsch, their next fight should satisfy three conditions. First, it should be a fight that's winnable even if they're the underdogs. Second, the fighters should be able to win without having to use skills they've never really possessed. Third, the fight should live at or near the top of whatever card it's on. Why pick these conditions? They make best use of the resources Hunt and Boetsch bring to a fight while being fair to their chances of success. They also won't necessarily wreck the division's order should the unpredictable happen.

For Boetsch, he should be given a marquee fight against rising middleweight contender Chris Weidman. Weidman and Boestch are united by their toughness, talent and deserved reputations as risk takers. Weidman proved in his win over Demian Maia at UFC on Fox 2 he might be ready for the best middleweight has to offer, but he's also young enough that a little more seasoning could only help him. For Boetsch, it's a chance to face a top-10 opponent who is a worthy adversary but won't be able to lord physical strength over him (unlike Phil Davis at light heavyweight).

Relative to Boetsch, Hunt's future should be closely guided by his ability to deliver exciting action. We have to keep managed expectations about his upside, but that's no adjustment from what we're already doing. Pat Barry, Stefan Struve or Travis Browne are all excellent choices as potential opponents. Mike Russow, on the other hand, is not. Hunt is 37 and shoulders no great expectations. His best use on a card is where he can help himself while facing younger contenders willing to strike. Placing Hunt against a submission-savvy wrestler in his mid-thirtees is nothing short of criminal.

Where could these fights live? The options are plentiful. A Boetsch-Weidman bout could easily serve as the co-main event of a pay-per-view (even a stacked UFC 146 could be upgraded). If you scoff at that claim, consider UFC 145's Rashad Evans vs. Jon Jones is preceded by Che Mills vs. Rory MacDonald. Hunt vs. any of the aforementioned strikers could be great as a headliner for UFC on Fuel or a co-main event for UFC on FX. Any of those potential bouts is fun enough to get good fight card placement at any type of UFC event, but there isn't great need for them to be on a card of major significance. The most important consideration is that whatever space these fights occupy, they deserve to be of a higher order of magnitude than the treatment Boetsch and Hunt are typically given.

When fighters are ignored, dismissed and nearly beaten yet manage to persevere, that's a special moment in fight sport. That's especially true when all that happens on a night where a listless Quinton 'Rampage' Jackson is improperly prepared and psychologically distracted. His seeming ambivalence stands in sharp contrast to the delightfully surprising career turnarounds of Boetsch and Hunt. As athletes in their thirties, time is not on their side, but our good will should be. We can honor their achievements, treat them fairly with careful but fair matchmaking and reward the fans without one ideal compromising the other.

Boetsch and Hunt proved they were right to not give up on themselves. By hook or by crook, they brought their careers back to life. Let's be fair to those revivals by giving them a chance to breathe.

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Great read

Nice job, Luke. Your articles are one of the nicer things about the changeover to SBNation. This was a well-reasoned argument in favour of reasonable rewards for fighters who might not otherwise garner a less than “star-power” spotlight. Here’s hoping that the powers that be at Zuffa read more than tweets.

by Phred013 on Feb 26, 2012 7:33 PM EST reply actions  

I say give Boetsch a fight with Bisping

He just beat the number 3 guy and since we all know he’s not getting a shot any time soon, might as well give him Bisping or somebody like that. I think Wiedman would be a tough fight too but honestly I think Boetsch is ranked higher than Wiedman right about now. I think Okami runs through Wiedman like he was Boetsch til the 3rd and like he ran through Munoz. This win is huge. How can the UFC reward Hendricks with a fight against Koscheck and not reward Boetsch with a big name as well?

by Bigs- on Feb 26, 2012 7:38 PM EST reply actions  

really?

Weidman would destroy Okami and Boetsch both

by Neilarado on Feb 26, 2012 9:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I doubt he destroys Okami. Don't get over yourself

9 times out of 10 Okami beats Boetsch as well. A Wiedman fight would look just like the fight with Munoz did. I didn’t say Boetsch is better than Wiedman, you gotta read these comments all the way. I said he’s ahead of him. Whether or not Wiedman can beat Boetsch, Boetsch automatically has the better resume of the 2 as of now in beating a perennial contender in Okami. Maia is a good win, but he hasn’t been as consistent as Okami has,

by Bigs- on Feb 26, 2012 11:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd agree with that.

Since Sonnen has Silva, why not make Bisping vs Boetsch as a #1 contenders match. Bisping arguably beat Sonnen, and Okami was the #3 guy. It only makes sense.

by spooner901 on Feb 26, 2012 8:33 PM EST reply actions  

Maybe have Munoz fight the winner of Bisping/Boetsch for #1 contender? just throwing out ideas lol

by Rob2507 on Feb 27, 2012 12:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Good job luke

I haven’t read to many articles by Luke but is a breath of fresh air compared to MDS that is actual making sense. Just would be horrible if they did samething with these guys same as sexyama loss after loss he kept moving in competition from leben, bisping, to vitor almost seemed like dana wants a reason to kick him out of ufc.

by jesusjr on Feb 26, 2012 9:07 PM EST reply actions  

how soon we forget...

Cheik Kongo vs Pat Berry was easily the greatest comeback in UFC history.. he was literally unconcious and somehow woke back up and pulled off a miracle uppercut. 1 hit KO. Classic stuff..

by Neilarado on Feb 26, 2012 9:38 PM EST reply actions  

I didnt forget lol

When Pat knocked Kongo down I jumped off my seat cheering for him and next minute Pat was lights out lol classic and one of the best comebacks.

by Boxer74 on Mar 4, 2012 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Not sure I agree here!

I don’t want to spoon feed these guys easy opponents. Hunt is on a tear lately, he has 3 wins in a row, the last of which was a top 15 heavyweight. In any situation with any other fighter, you give him a top 10 guy or someone comparable next because he’s earned it. Russow DOES make sense (even though he’s17th) If Hunt is saying he can knock out the champs in the press conference, he obviously wants to fight the best in the world, not easy wins that merely showcase his skills. Give him a wrestler, give him a top 10, top 5 guy. It’s a little patronizing to spoon-feed him “winnable” opponents. Throw him to the sharks, I say.

by TBranson on Feb 27, 2012 1:18 AM EST reply actions  

I just hope they keep him far away from Struve

Struve will get his ass kicked then take it to the ground like he always does. I was gonna say give him the winner of Barry v Johnson but that’s far from now and Hunt can probably fight within the next month since he didn’t get hurt at all. Maybe they give him Stipe Miocic

by Bigs- on Feb 27, 2012 2:10 AM EST up reply actions  

I dont think he can get him down but...

Struve got skills, and to be honest Struve and Barry are two fighters Hunt should not fight. Because Hunt needs to fight only the top 10 fighters and I think Struve and Barry could pull it off against Hunt.

Hunts path to the top should be Travis Browne (8); Shane Carwin (5) and my man Overeem. Seriously I can see Hunt beating Overeem because Overeem wants to stand up and strike and that will get his ass in trouble when fighting Hunt but I dont think Hunt can beat Santos… Santos will take it to the ground all day and grind out the win.

by Boxer74 on Mar 4, 2012 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

"I don’t want to spoon feed these guys easy opponents"

Me neither. A winnable fight, though, is not an easy fight. It’s a fight where there is a reasonable probability of a win. I think we move past the tipping point in a Russow vs. Hunt bout, whereas Hunt vs. any of the other fighters I mentioned stays behind the white line.

by Luke Thomas on Feb 27, 2012 10:04 AM EST up reply actions  

That would be a winnable fight for Carwin

Stipe sounds cool for Hunt. I just think he needs to move UP the ladder, not around it and definitely not down the ladder.

by TBranson on Mar 2, 2012 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Winnable for both

Carwin ranked number 5 and recovering from injuries is a good fight for Carwin to see where he is at when he gets back and a step up for Hunt. Im a Carwin fan but he didnt look so hot in his last fight and he eats alot of punches, so I dont think he can last long eating Hunts punches but Carwin is a pro and he can grind out a win against Hunt if he is 100%. Hunt will win if Carwin cannot take him down and dominate. Hunts Striking ability is way to good and under-rated in the UFC. Kongo is a way better stand up fighter than Carwin and look what happened to Kongo. Hunt is taking the same Path as Overeem, block all takedowns and keep it standing and win by striking. So if Hunt does that, its game over for Carwin.

by Boxer74 on Mar 4, 2012 4:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Mark was feed to the Shark and he ate the Shark...

Before this fight Kongo was in the top 10 in the HW, sitting at 7 in the UFC 2012 rankings and in the top 5 Strikers in UFC HW devision and Hunt was given NO chance to win, so Hunt has already proven he is capable of hanging with the top 10 and no one has ever destroyed Kongo like that. Some of the best have beaten Kongo and struggled. Kongo has beaten 2 of the top ten and drew with Travis Browne (ranked 8). Hunts KO was no fluke. Watch the fight again. Hunt dropped him with a counter punch and “waited” till he got back up… and set him up with the KO… why we should be amazed with this… Hunts attitude was “get up so I can knock you out…” Hunt is still a fat ass but he has lost alot of weight but he is so confident in himself, he let Kongo get up, try and fight back and then picked his moment to end Kongo and not only that, he says he is the best Striker in UFC, so what we have here is a Mark Hunt who is in the right frame of mind, training hard, has solid ground defence now, iron chin that can KO anyone in the devision. Hunt was ranked the best striker in K1/kickboxing in the world at one stage so its nothing new for Hunt to KO the best, just a new arena and rules.

by Boxer74 on Mar 4, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

top 15 lol

You really didnt want to say it but Hunt beat Kongo who is in the top 10 and actually ranked at 7 before he got KOed. So you got your wish… Hunt got a top 10 guy as you requested and proved himself. So I guess its someone who is in the top 5 now? Carwin next. Carwin was beaten badly in his last lose so it would be good for Hunt and Carwin. whoever wins, earns the right to fight the top 2 fighters in the devision or even a title shot.

by Boxer74 on Mar 4, 2012 5:37 PM EST up reply actions  

could be main event on fuel or fx! or co main on ppv

mark hunt vs matt mitrione would be a great fight to watch. big chins everywhere! matt lost to kongo in his last fight and a win over hunt would get him another chance a top 10 hw. plus it will give hunt the chance to headline a show or be co main which luke pointed out his run deserves.

by jeffsmate on Feb 27, 2012 1:47 AM EST reply actions  

I like...

this matchup, would make for a great fight. Not sure who Mitrione was hoping to fight next or if they had anyone in mind for him but seeing as his last fight was late October with Cheik I think this makes sense!

by Fif-Magic on Feb 27, 2012 5:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Not sure what sense it makes to give a guy on a 3 fight win streak the loser of a fight after he just beat the winner of that fight… Mitrione is talented, but that’s not generally how you match-make. I like Hunt and hope he keeps improving his ground game and take down defense.

by rearnakedchickenchoke on Feb 27, 2012 10:03 AM EST up reply actions  

I think it’s important to look at the caliber of opponents Hunt has faced as well as the 3 fight win streak. I see the Mitrione vs Hunt matchup as not only an interesting fight but taking everything into account also one either fighter could win. I also like Hunt and hope he progresses as far as he can.

by Fif-Magic on Feb 27, 2012 10:49 AM EST up reply actions  

As a fan, I want to see Hunt finish his career in the UFC, not as a contender who is constantly under pressure to live up to everyone’s inflated expectations but as a dignified legend of the sport who has nothing more left to prove. If a title shot is eventually in the cards, then so be it, but he shouldn’t get penalized in the long run for losing as long as he can give the fans their money’s worth. The UFC should let him stay as long as he can continue to fight competently and safely.

by magnetic on Feb 27, 2012 7:06 PM EST reply actions  

boetsch

this was one of the greatest comebacks of all time. period. to hear what his coach was telling him between the last rounds and then see what happened – its straight out of a movie. joe rogans response live on air said it all. it really was that spectacular!

by matt_bamo on Feb 27, 2012 8:00 PM EST reply actions  

I think they have to give Russow to Hunt

Otherwise this man is going to continue on a tear and fans will be asking for a title shot because he’s been fed Pat Barry and Stefan Struve way too east match ups imo

I’m not resting until I’m officially Anderson Silva status.- Jon "Bones" Jones

by AfroSamurai on Feb 28, 2012 12:57 AM EST reply actions  

Agree

And people are acting like Russow is out of his league. I see Hunt with a KO in that one, IMO.

by TBranson on Mar 2, 2012 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Russow vs Hunt would be awesome BUT

thats a step backwards for Hunt and only Russow will benefit from it if he wins. Hunt just KO Kongo who was ranked number 7 and in the top 5 strikers in HW devision before the fight, so Hunt needs fight fighters in the top 10 not go under that. Remember Hunt is 37 and needs to fight smart and get a title shot. Travis Browne (8) or Frank Mir (6) next.

by Boxer74 on Mar 4, 2012 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

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