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Joe Rogan Discusses Nick Diaz, Pot Use vs. TRT, PED's, SOPA and More

Feb 14, 2012 - If you've ever experienced "The Joe Rogan Experience," you know the UFC analyst, professional comic and TV host is likely to riff on any number of topics. So when Rogan stopped by Monday's edition of The MMA Hour, it was worth exploring many of the headlines making news in mixed martial arts.

Among the biggest stories over the past week is Nick Diaz, his positive drug test and marijuana issues. Rogan discussed that, the UFC's support of the controversial SOPA bill, and more.

The following are some of select sound bytes on the topics.

On marijuana
"I think it is a performance-enhancing drug. If it wasn’t, a huge majority of jiu-jitsu guys wouldn't be using it before they train. A lot of Brazilian guys use marijuana before they train. A lot of American jiu-jitsu guys use it before they train. And they don’t do it because it hurts them; they do it because it helps them."

On Nick Diaz's marijuana use
"I think he likes smoking weed. I think it’s that simple. I think he’s doing it whether or not he’s fighting, whether he’s training or running marathons."

On how to handle Diaz
"He needs like a Cus D’Amato-type character, who’s there watching everything he does and making things easy for him. All that nonsense where he couldn’t get on the plane... look, you’re not dealing with your average dude. Someone should’ve been taking care of him. They should’ve had someone pick him up at the house. Don't make him drive to the airport. Pick him up. Test him on your own. It’s not expensive. Test him in advance and make sure he’s clean. Make sure he doesn’t have issues."

On exemptions for testosterone replacement therapy vs. marijuana
"I think if testosterone is legal, you can easily make the argument that marijuana should be legal under a doctor’s prescription. I do believe that they’re both performance-enhancing substances. I think that testosterone is in fact, more of a performance-enhancer."

On Diaz's possible retirement
"Especially during his time in Strikeforce, he improved dramatically. I think he hasn’t even hit his full potential yet. He’s not even in his prime as an athlete … I think that Nick has a massive amount of potential. As a fan, I really hope he doesn’t retire, and as someone who loves to do commentary on his fights, because he’s a really exceptional athlete. He's really a one-of-a-kind guy, a complete, total original not just in his style of fighting, which is very original, but in his style and demeanor. He's a very unique guy."

On Diaz's penalty
The Nevada state athletic commission has pretty set guidelines and precedents that have already been set. I think in the situation you're dealing with, the real question is, whether or not it makes sense that some things are legal and others are not. Which ones make sense and which ones don't. The way it is now, he tested positive. You could argue that marijuana should be legal, but the bottom line is it's illegal, he tested positive, and it's up to the Nevada state athletic commission to make a judgment.

On UFC's support of the controversial SOPA anti-piracy bill
"The UFC wants to make sure people stop stealing pay-per-view, streaming them and collecting ad revenue. A lot of people don’t realize that a lot of these people are using Google ads and other various online ads and they’ll stream a website, take a UFC live feed and stream it, and then make money off of it on ads. It’s not as simple as they’re stopping people from downloading the UFC for free. It’s people who are actually making money off the UFC by streaming it online. It’s a criminal act. It’s not so simple as someone coming along who is a fan and doesn’t have the money and just wants to watch it.

On problems with SOPA
"… You get into situations where you got this bill like SOPA, and the real fear is that it will give the government sweeping legislation, sweeping power that would enable them to decide what they can go in and shut down. The real fear is that the government would have any power to censor the internet."

On Dana White's view on SOPA
"He’s not a guy who’s trying to go after the casual fan. The guy doesn't want to get ripped off. The company feels like they’re getting ripped off by people that are criminal. They’re trying to profit off the fact that they’re streaming illegally. That’s where the UFC stands. It’s not that they want to censor people. Dana White is the last person in the world to want censorship. If you listen to the way he talks, he would get in a lot of trouble working for almost any other major sports organization. Ninety-nine percent of sports organizations would have a big problem with a guy like that being president ... He’s just a guy that doesn’t want to get ripped off."

On his first trip to Japan, for February 26's UFC 144
"To me, this is an amazing opportunity to go to a place where modern martial arts, the most respected martial arts were cultivated. That’s Japan. This is the birthplace of the samurai."

On his long tenure with the UFC
"I first worked for the UFC more than a decade ago. I still love it. I still look forward to it. It’s still one of the most exciting parts of my life."

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Marijuana a Performance enhancer?

The only way i see weed as a performance enhancer would be as a numbing agent, other than that idk why would rogan consider it a performance enhancer.

What you going to do when you know who? How you going to deal with the man of steel? And how will you react to Sonnen's attack?

by Alfxtream on Feb 14, 2012 12:12 PM EST reply actions  

i agree, i wish he would have given some justification to how he sees it as a ped. i guess if you dont feel the pain of working out, you can go harder, but i’ve never trained high, so i have no idea

by shplane on Feb 14, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

His analogy was to Adderall, I believe...

… as in, both stimulate novel mental activity. What, you guys don’t smoke? Don’t you know this?

"Ultimately, martial art means honestly expressing yourself... it is easy for me to put on a show and be cocky, or I could show you some really fancy movement... But to express oneself honestly, not lying to oneself, and to express myself honestly... Now that, my friend, is very hard to do."
-Lee Jun-fan

by Spoiler on Feb 14, 2012 7:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I totaly agree with you, marijuana doesn’t seem tp help a fighter get stronger, faster, flexible, or leaner. Marijuana numbs you and help you relax, and enjoy the momment. I could see someone training hard then smoking a joint to help relax thts it. I’ve heard of bodybuilder who use marijuana to help with the day of recovery not to get bigger. To me this is just a big complot to get back at Diaz.

by matame_sin_dolor on Feb 14, 2012 12:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Read closer, guys

Joe’s saying it’s a PED for the BJJ aspect of the fight game. I personally don’t agree with him, but I can see his argument, at least. BJJ is a highly mental endeavor. BJJ players are constantly trying to move and counter and plan several moves ahead. Being stoned MAY enable a BJJ player to cycle through those mental progressions with a greater degree of calm than another fighter who isn’t stoned. Again, having personally rolled and trained BJJ, i don’t agree with Joe, but there’s an argument to be made, here.

In either case, I think most people would agree that weed shouldn’t be illegal to begin with. It should be treated like alcohol and cigarettes. And nobody is going to bat an eye if a fighter tests positive for alcohol in his system, assuming he wasn’t drunk at the time of the fight. And that’s really what the heart of the issue is: was Nick stoned DURING the fight? Nobody knows. If he was, then sure, it’s possible that the weed helped him in some way, but again, I doubt it.

If he wasn’t stoned during the fight, then who cares? His smoking a week before the fight is just as irrelevant as if he had a glass of Jack Daniel’s the week before the fight. Neither are going to affect his performance in the ring, neither are going to help him win the fight in any tangible way.

by The J on Feb 14, 2012 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Wouldn't most people also agree...

… that TRT is more of an advantage, as it is more clearly ’performance enhancing"? Yet, that one is legal.
Thoughts?

"Ultimately, martial art means honestly expressing yourself... it is easy for me to put on a show and be cocky, or I could show you some really fancy movement... But to express oneself honestly, not lying to oneself, and to express myself honestly... Now that, my friend, is very hard to do."
-Lee Jun-fan

by Spoiler on Feb 14, 2012 7:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Are you some kind of doctor?

I take the things you say and flush them down the toilet. What credentials to you have to state such ludicrous things? I highly doubt your a physician, or a research scientist. It seems to me your nothing but a stoner and your comment really means nothing. Pot is illegal and yes, it deserves to be banned because of the intoxicating effects. Live and learn pal. Put away the pipe.

by doublelegtakedown on Feb 15, 2012 12:08 AM EST up reply actions  

So....alcohol should be banned to?

Hendo/Bisping:
"He hit him so hard that even gravity got scared. Bisping hung in mid-air for a moment while gravity screamed at inertia, "Did you see that shit!?" Then, after a high five, the two universal forces quit screwing around and yanked Bisping's limp body onto the floor." - Seanbaby

"You are banned from bloodyelbow because Roth was being too nice and your picture" -Tim Burke

by superfknmario__ on Feb 15, 2012 12:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Alcohol is banned. Check the list of banned substances.

The difference is that alcohol doesn’t stay in your system as long as marijuana.

by knucklesamitch on Feb 16, 2012 11:00 AM EST up reply actions  

I would want the fighter on marijuana. Their reflexes are slower and cardio is a lot worse.

by Withdrawal on Feb 14, 2012 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Citation?

This is your opinion, of course, but do you have any facts to back this up?

"Ultimately, martial art means honestly expressing yourself... it is easy for me to put on a show and be cocky, or I could show you some really fancy movement... But to express oneself honestly, not lying to oneself, and to express myself honestly... Now that, my friend, is very hard to do."
-Lee Jun-fan

by Spoiler on Feb 14, 2012 7:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Lung capacity - no joke!

Divers and pot-heads, not cigarettes but marijuana actually increases overall lung capacity and oxygen intake – I don’t smoke I just read

by kQuick on Feb 16, 2012 4:15 AM EST up reply actions  

I can see how marijuana is a PED...

Lets say you are sooooo nervous a cpl days before a fight that you cant even sleep,or think,etc…(like Callaway in the last TUF)
Smoking weed during those days can only help you…and by the same time,“enhance your performance” to come.

But I dont agree with Rogan when he said that smoking weed just before a fight can enhance your performance….not in my case anyway.

I played an hockey game once and I was stoned as shit…lol!Worst game ever…I got better in the third.

But weed doesnt have the same effect on every one.One of my friend used to smoke pot before passing an exam (University).And now,hes a lawyer,an he still smoke before going to court!!!

P.S;Sorry for my grammar guys.English is not my first language…Tnx.

by pklMMA on Feb 17, 2012 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Am I the only one...

…who read this in Joe Rogan’s voice?

by Neeklus on Feb 14, 2012 12:52 PM EST reply actions  

No brother!

I visualize him and his voice screaming at me randomly! :)

by iboneu89 on Feb 14, 2012 2:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

marijuana a PED? lol

coming from someone who smokes marijuana daily I can say that it is not a PED. I strength train 3 times a week and rock climb on the weekends. When Im high and I try to hit the gym my stamina is negatively effected and I usually get tired a lot quicker. There is no way I would rock climb high… Joe Rogan, again, is completely off base with this one.

I dont think Diaz is using it as a PED. I think he just enjoys it recreationally as do i.

by whatsthisnow on Feb 14, 2012 1:47 PM EST reply actions  

Your personal anectode....

… is interesting, but it is not the same as scientific data.

"Ultimately, martial art means honestly expressing yourself... it is easy for me to put on a show and be cocky, or I could show you some really fancy movement... But to express oneself honestly, not lying to oneself, and to express myself honestly... Now that, my friend, is very hard to do."
-Lee Jun-fan

by Spoiler on Feb 14, 2012 7:39 PM EST up reply actions  

true but..

I’ve been a smoker for 17 years now. Scientific data would be based off of people like me. I cant imagine walking into the octagon high and gaining some type of physical or mental edge. If anything, it would be a detractor.

my 2 cents.

by whatsthisnow on Feb 15, 2012 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

"Train by day Joe Rogan Punkass by night"

I listen to the podcast and its great ,sure I disagree here and there but it sure is entertaining! VIVA ROGAN

by iboneu89 on Feb 14, 2012 2:26 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

revenue by streaming? BS

Ive spent my whole life dealing with computers, every kind of p2p, torrents, sharing sites… from bbs through ftps and napsters or random warez sites… and know where to find pretty much everything but not live streaming UFC fights. Rogan wake TF up. It has nothing to do with that. Finding a site that streams live UFC fights is extremely difficult to find and is extremely rare. You can find fights hours after but live very rarely. UFC is losing NO money here and if this is their reason is complete and utter BS.

by TTech on Feb 14, 2012 2:55 PM EST reply actions  

if you've spent your whole life

dealing with computers, but can’t find a live stream of a UFC PPV, then you need to try something else, cause this computer thing just ain’t for you, pal.

maybe try upgrading from your commodore 64?

by The J on Feb 14, 2012 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Link please...

"Ultimately, martial art means honestly expressing yourself... it is easy for me to put on a show and be cocky, or I could show you some really fancy movement... But to express oneself honestly, not lying to oneself, and to express myself honestly... Now that, my friend, is very hard to do."
-Lee Jun-fan

by Spoiler on Feb 14, 2012 7:51 PM EST up reply actions  

they are losing money...

Due to people not buying PPVs because they know they can watch the fights online (even if not live, just a couple of hours later). And many of these sites do have ads that generate profit.

by steven1crocker on Feb 14, 2012 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

That's already illegal...

… and, as we’ve seen, many websites like that have been taken down, and the people responsible have been arrested and charged with committing crimes that are already on the books… so, what was the point of SOPA again?

Don’t ask Dana White, because he clearly does not understand.

"Ultimately, martial art means honestly expressing yourself... it is easy for me to put on a show and be cocky, or I could show you some really fancy movement... But to express oneself honestly, not lying to oneself, and to express myself honestly... Now that, my friend, is very hard to do."
-Lee Jun-fan

by Spoiler on Feb 14, 2012 7:50 PM EST up reply actions  

SOPA was intended to...

From what I read in an article long before the wikipedia blackout (summarized):

SOPA was intended to block access to (foreign) sites that stream of link to ‘stolen’ media. American sites like these are often shut down, but foreign ones cannot be shut down by the American government, so they just wanted to block access to them.

America isn’t the only country with anti-piracy laws, but some torrent/streaming sites are operating legally in their countries.

I’m not trying to endorse SOPA, just stating what I read in an article

by steven1crocker on Feb 14, 2012 11:10 PM EST up reply actions  

its not as hard as you think… i cant say any more.

by huckabuck878 on Feb 14, 2012 4:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Maybe Joe Rogan is right.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but can marijuana be a muscle relaxant?

If so, maybe a Shane Carwin on marijuana wouldn’t have had his arms lock up on him and he could have finished Lesnar?

Wouldn’t that make marijuana a PED?

by RyanG- on Feb 14, 2012 3:55 PM EST reply actions  

Koemik Katasstrohpy Are Rogan

It is bald oldest short man komedick rooteen of Jo Rogan. Its voice fightnarration being like screems angry baby in shit daipers. If for global expansion of MMA UFC its UFC find new cage voice of comentation live fighting situations is after fights interview. Nobady love for this mans in all for MMA. Standing up komedy of Rogan is only piss of all many fans of global supports MMA. It’s he like to krazy balded loud screemz umpa lumpa. Das vidanya Jo Jo. UFC best of world domination MMA.

Strong Russian Cage Girl. Need MMA husband. Nyet couch potato. Really muscles better.

by Ivana Likitov on Feb 14, 2012 7:14 PM EST reply actions  

Rogan is the best at what he does...

And whats your fixation with “balding”???What does it have to do with anything?

Its a matter of opinion,but Rogan is the best “live MMA analyst out there”.

And dude,stop playing the “Russian Ivana chick role”.
Cold war’s over now (!!!???)

by pklMMA on Feb 17, 2012 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

TRT Of Ass Injection

Oi kontak you of medikal staffers. Reduktion of TRT 4 U of ass injection Ivana recomend to you in healths mental stability. Rogans is OK but best? nyet. It’s not for problema to balding of me 4 correct application. Special sensitive zone of balding davai? It’s to play me of be Russian is “old war” but thanx fro contakt Pickles of MMA

Strong Russian Cage Girl. Need MMA husband. Nyet couch potato. Really muscles better.

by Ivana Likitov on Feb 19, 2012 6:25 PM EST up reply actions  

"Dana White is totally against censorship"...

… if it were HIS views that were being censored.

Ask Miguel “rape-van” Torres, or Dennis “speedo” Hallman, if Dana White is anti-censorship, and they will say…

“Of course not. Dana White is a very consistent person, and totally not a hypocrite (please, please, don’t fire me Dana)”…

"Ultimately, martial art means honestly expressing yourself... it is easy for me to put on a show and be cocky, or I could show you some really fancy movement... But to express oneself honestly, not lying to oneself, and to express myself honestly... Now that, my friend, is very hard to do."
-Lee Jun-fan

by Spoiler on Feb 14, 2012 7:45 PM EST reply actions  

*Pro-censorship, I mean....

… shit.

"Ultimately, martial art means honestly expressing yourself... it is easy for me to put on a show and be cocky, or I could show you some really fancy movement... But to express oneself honestly, not lying to oneself, and to express myself honestly... Now that, my friend, is very hard to do."
-Lee Jun-fan

by Spoiler on Feb 14, 2012 7:46 PM EST up reply actions  

One Bad

Gosh I hope you see this…. JOE ROGAN ON MARIJUANA…

On marijuana
“I think it is a performance-enhancing drug. If it wasn’t, a huge majority of jiu-jitsu guys wouldn’t be using it before they train. A lot of Brazilian guys use marijuana before they train. A lot of American jiu-jitsu guys use it before they train. And they don’t do it because it hurts them; they do it because it helps them.”

by ChrisOB on Feb 14, 2012 9:59 PM EST reply actions  

fixed
If it wasn’t, a huge majority of jiu-jitsu 10th planet guys wouldn’t be using it before they train.

yeah lets ask Roger, Marcleo, Jacare, Braulio, Galvao, the Mendes brothers, Terra, Popovitch and all the other elite grapplers and ask them how many joints they light up before going to the gym…

To have a Cannae you must have a Varo
-George Patton
"The complete man must work, study and wrestle."
-Aristotle

by T.P. Grant on Feb 15, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

nah...

You are talking abt professional athlete…thats not what he meant!

by pklMMA on Feb 17, 2012 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Great interview with Rogan

What a great interview with Joe Rogan; well done. Just knowing when to let Joe go, and for how long, is a skill in itself. That was a lot of insight crammed into a short half hour, thanks again.

by Eric Likes UFC on Feb 15, 2012 4:14 PM EST reply actions  

I agree...

An open and frank interview…. Joe made some interesting points…especially about the politicians!!

by pvirtual on Feb 16, 2012 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

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