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UFC 144: By the Odds

Feb 23, 2012 - UFC 144 brings the Octagon back to Japan and plenty of action back to the pay-per-view airwaves this Saturday night. The oddsmakers have laid down their pluses and minuses. Now it’s up to us to parse through the numbers and put our money where our keyboards are. As usual, let's begin at the top of the card.

Frankie Edgar (-130) vs. Ben Henderson (even)

Maybe the oddsmakers have finally come around on Edgar. Maybe, like many of us, they got tired of being wrong. Maybe they decided that if they have to lose money on an Edgar fight, they’d rather do it in the other direction for a change, just to see what it feels like. As Chuck Liddell said when I spoke to him for a very special edition of ‘Fighter vs. Writer’ (look for that on Saturday, btw): "I can’t go against Frankie...I mean, I have before, both times with B.J. [Penn] and the second time with Gray [Maynard]. But he’s tough, man." That more or less sums up my feelings on the matter. You get burned by ‘the little champion that could’ enough times and eventually you have to learn your lesson, right? Right?

Yes. Certainly. And yet...I can’t stop thinking that maybe -- just maybe -- Henderson is the man to take that title. He’s a big 155’er with a solid all-around game and a non-stop motor. He demolished Jim Miller and won a cartoon dust cloud of a fight with Clay Guida to get this shot, so clearly he belongs at this level. He can wrestle, he can strike, and he isn’t easily put away. So why can’t he beat Edgar? Maybe there’s a quickness gap. Maybe also a quality of competition one, depending on your perspective. But Henderson isn’t out of depth here. Maybe an even money bet to claim the UFC lightweight title isn’t so crazy after all?
My pick: Edgar. If Henderson were a bigger underdog, I’d consider it. But honestly, I just can’t bear to be on the wrong side of Edgar’s ongoing ‘Rocky’ saga. I’d actually rather lose money on him than risk winning while joining the ranks of those who pick against him every single time. Ask me on Sunday whether I still feel that way.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson (-280) vs. Ryan Bader (+220)

The way I see it, there are two huge question marks here: 1) Can Bader take a punch? and 2) Does Jackson still care enough about this MMA nonsense to do well at it? These questions are equally difficult to answer. It’s possible that getting dropped by Tito Ortiz was a fluke thing for Bader. It’s never happened before or (in the one fight) since. But then, it’s also not exactly something Ortiz is known for. If a short hook from him can take your legs away, what’ll happen when "Rampage" touches your chin? Maybe nothing, because maybe ‘Page doesn’t really give a damn anymore. We know Bader isn’t his idea of a dream opponent for his glorious return to Japan. Of course, he won’t admit it unless he loses -- at which point no one reaches for an excuse faster than Jackson, except maybe Ortiz -- but it seems likely that he didn’t train as hard for Bader as he did for Jon Jones. Will it matter? Maybe not if he can find Bader’s off-switch with his fist early on. But if it goes into the later rounds, age and level of interest might become a factor.
My pick: Jackson. I hardly even feel comfortable with it as a parlay bet, and I think anything over -200 is overvaluing the former champ, but I just have too many doubts about Bader. And after all, this is "Rampage" in Japan. Surely that still means something, right?

Cheick Kongo (-300) vs. Mark Hunt (+230)

Okay underdog-lovers, here’s your chance. You want me to believe that Kongo, whose grappling game consists mostly of shorts-grabbing, testicle-kneeing, wall-and-stall tactics, is a 3-1 favorite over MMA’s hardest-hitting, hardest-headed, and, as far as grappling goes, most improved heavyweight? Not on your life, pal. Hunt takes a punch like a redwood and is equally as willing, as long as it gives him the chance to punch you back. Kongo might start out wanting to wrestle his way to victory, but as we saw in his last fight, Hunt’s upped his game in that department. Eventually Kongo will be compelled, either through honor or a lack of better options, to stand and trade. Then we’ll see who has the better kickboxing and the better chin. I think I already know.
My pick: Hunt. Usually I have to talk myself into picking at least one sizable underdog. This time the oddsmakers went and made it easy on me.

Jake Shields (-300) vs. Yoshihiro Akiyama (+230)

Now this is what a 3-1 favorite looks like. No disrespect to Akiyama, who still has the best walkout in the game, but if you get submitted by Chris Leben I have to admit that I don’t like your chances on the mat with Jake Shields. It probably won’t be the most exciting bout on the card. And despite his recent string of Fight of the Night awards, even Akiyama probably won’t be able to change that. Even so, it’s hard to see how this fight doesn’t get to the floor in a hurry, and once there you have to give the considerable edge to Shields.
My pick: Shields. Make room in the parlay, because here he comes.

Anthony Pettis (-240) vs. Joe Lauzon (+190)

If you believe, as Duke Roufus does, that Pettis is MMA’s Michael Jordan when he gets in his zone, these odds might look like a steal to you. To me, they look like a bit much. Pettis deserves to be the favorite in this fight. He’s dynamic and unpredictable, and he really solidified his wrestling after that loss to Guida. Still, let’s not act like Lauzon hasn’t made fools out of a few guys who were supposed to trounce him. He’s beaten some very good fighters in his day (and some very mediocre ones), and his submissions game makes him a constant threat. At the same time, if Pettis keeps it standing you have to think he’ll easily out-strike him, and it’s not as if Lauzon is known for his takedowns. Despite a little odds inflation, that’s what will make the difference here.
My pick: Pettis. It’s a parlay pick all the way, but I feel better about this one than I do about Jackson.

Quick picks:

- Yushin Okami (-345) over Tim Boetsch (+265). Does anyone else think this seems like a fight that’s tailor-made to make Okami look good in front of the home crowd? Yeah, me too.

- Bart Palaszewski (+140) over Hatsu Hioki (-170). I wasn’t terribly impressed with Hioki’s win over George Roop, while "Bartimus" still hits as hard as almost anyone in the division. Look out.

The ‘For Entertainment Purposes Only’ Parlay: Jackson + Shields + Pettis + Okami.

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"The little champion that could"

Hahahaha funny shit. I think Henderson presents a bigger challenge than Maynard and Penn, and I think Henderson will pull out the unanimous decision. Either that or I could see him pulling off a guillotine against Edgar.

by Rob2507 on Feb 23, 2012 3:56 PM EST reply actions  

And when Edgar does it again...

Maybe you wont doubt him as much. I’m simply pointing out that everyone has doubted this guy including me, he picked Penn apart twice, he hushed any critic who said Maynard won their Draw bout by knocking him out in an impressive and unexpected fashion. Maynard was unable to ‘bully’ him in their last two bouts. He has a solid chin, he also is a good wrestler and he is very quick and is constantly moving. He’s not so easy to submit you know? His only loss is to Maynard and he learned from that. But I do know that if anyone can beat him it would be Henderson but I just don’t see it.

by Vulkin on Feb 23, 2012 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

you dont see it because youre blind

maynard has ONE finsih in his entire career- ONE- that would help explain why
after having knocked edgar into the twilight zone in BOTH fights he still couldnt finish him- hendo will pounce like a lion when he dazes edgar which he will and will either
knock him out or submit him- bj is over rated he is way slower than hendo and he
ALWAYS gasses ALWAYS- FRANKIE NEVER HURT BJ never had him stunned never
had him in trouble – he out pointed him henderson beat cerrone twice jim miller once
and fought a hard five round war with pettis- any of those three would beat edgar-
sorry to burst your bubble

by bonecollector on Feb 23, 2012 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

How did you get on you're parents computer?

Seriously though you have no idea what you’re talking about. First of all Maynard’s got massive power probably more than Henderson, he’s also got better boxing than Henderson, a lot better. Henderson has great kicks and muay thai but he’s not anywhere near as quick as Edgar is, no one in the division is. And BJ never once gassed out when he was a LW, he is also considered the greatest LW ever and would absolutely maul the guys Henderson has beat. Henderson is a great guy and I won’t be surprised if he wins but I had to call you out on disrespecting BJ and Frankie.

by KneesTotheHead on Feb 24, 2012 12:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Good argument

He’s been all 5 rounds at LW many times, never gasses like he does at WW. It’s hard to argue with your reasoning though, really nailed it on the head.

by KneesTotheHead on Feb 24, 2012 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

edgar beat miller- yeah and it was just 6 years ago

damn i wish i could bet 5 dollars with every knucklehead
who thinks edgar can beat a bigger stronger more athletic
black/ asian ninja warrior who has more moves than jon jones
dude read my lips edgar is gonna get a serious beat down
it wont be close he is in another league from edgar and whats
weird is that its so damn obvious

by johnny vicious on Feb 25, 2012 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

If Edgar defeats Henderson

I will tip my cap to him and never doubt him again. But Henderson is his biggest challenge BY FAR, and Egar got beat up way too bad in his last two fights for me to have a bunch of confidence in him. Henderson’s got stellar striking, wrestling, and submission defense, WITHOUT the gas tank issues of maynard and penn. And you say Maynard was unable to “bully” Edgar, but I remember him fucking Edgar up in the first round of both of their last two fights. Maynard got tired tho and let off the gas pedal, Henderson’s not gonna get tired. This is gonna be a war, but I’m pretty confident Bendo will come out with the victory.

by Rob2507 on Feb 23, 2012 10:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree. I feel like Edgar is seriously “clutch” in his ability to win in the face of adversity and he deserves major credit for that, but you can’t expect to keep coming out on top in those kind of situations, and I think he’s going to find himself in similar trouble again against Henderson. I am a fan though and I do hope he wins.

by Manfred on Feb 24, 2012 8:38 PM EST up reply actions  

If I lose money again betting against Edgar I'm going to stop doubting him, and this time I really mean it!

I could see people making money if it’s a night of upsets but hard to see many really good action bets. Made small bets on Benson, Akiyama, Bader and Hunt but nothing Im too confident in.

Blessed is he who is righteous for the sake of righteousness. (Zoroastrian prayer)

by AriesKJJ on Feb 23, 2012 3:58 PM EST reply actions  

hey knucklehead this is the time to bet against edgar

this is a mis match- edgar has never ever faced a guy as well rounded athletic
and conditioned as hendo- after this beating edgar will drop to 145 where he
will fight jose aldo who will also beat him up sorry hes over rated

by bonecollector on Feb 23, 2012 5:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Why are you calling anyone a knucklehead

“hendo has faought cerrone pettis
and jim miller any one of which would beat edgar- remember you heard it here first” – bonecollector

Edgar is so overrated… you are SO RIGHT!!! What di he ever do? I mean he beat the most successful UFC LW Champ twice and he beat the champ before that (Sherk) and he (technically) hold a tie for the record of UFC LW title defenses…..he is so over-rated, he sucks really, just a little featherweight with boxing, wrestling and footwork that allow him to keep beating guys that out weigh him… but Bendo, yeah, his size, it is going to be the factor that brings on Frankie’s demise….ok. Maybe, but I don’t see Bendo having ANY problems that Frankie hasn’t already faced.

Frankie does present a problem that Bendo is vulnerable to- speed. Pettis out maneuvered and out quicked him, and I think Frankie is considerably faster than Pettis. Watch Bendo look slow, not be able to catch Frankie or hold on to him and lose a UD.

Being "The People's Champ" is like being a Special Olympics Gold Medalist
It just means that a bunch of retards think that you're the best

by Clark Griswald on Feb 24, 2012 5:18 PM EST up reply actions  

damn do i love making easy money on ufc fights

some are so obvious its ridiculous
egdar got rocked by a maynard in Both fights
he didnt finish him because hes not a finisher
as evidenced by the FACR he had one finish in his
entire mma career ONE FINISH bj is older and slower than
hendo plus he always gases ALWAYS

by johnny vicious on Feb 25, 2012 2:16 AM EST up reply actions  

fowlkes cant pick his nose

remember you heard it here first – frankie edgar has great cardio and an even greater heart but he will be facing a bigger stronger and more athletic fighter
than hes ever faced before- by far- henderson has lethal kicks and frankies size
will be perfect for a highloght reel head kick from ben- edgar beat maynard but
maynard had him on queer street in BOTH fights but couldnt finish him but that shouldnt be a surprise because maynard has only ONE finish in his entire career- check the record- edgar beat a slower bj penn who always gases in his
fights if he doesnt finish them early- which is often- everyone says frankie is faster than henderson- i say thats bullshit- hendo has faought cerrone pettis
and jim miller any one of which would beat edgar- remember you heard it here first henderson is gonna either knock him out or submit him- take that to the bank and thank me later

by bonecollector on Feb 23, 2012 4:54 PM EST reply actions  

I seen it!

Being "The People's Champ" is like being a Special Olympics Gold Medalist
It just means that a bunch of retards think that you're the best

by Clark Griswald on Feb 24, 2012 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

oh i almost forgot

pettis over lauzon is another gift- pettis is on the same athletic level as henderson watch their fight for proof- lauzon beat melvin BUT he was fortunate
to land that shot that dazed the young assasin enabling him to submit him
lauzon is in the mid pack of lightweights he has been beaten by to very average
fighters in sotoropoulus and florian both of whom destroyed him- pettis has
fought as good of if not better fighters and HAS NEVER BEEN FINISHED that
dear readers says a lot that is if you know how to analyze at all- parlay pettis to
hendo and cash a nice parlay ticket- thank me later

by bonecollector on Feb 23, 2012 5:13 PM EST reply actions  

Anybody that bets parlays is a fool. The definition of square or a marble as Philly Godfather says.

Also, Akiyama is very hard to take down. Shields is definitely not the play there, nor is Bart over Hioki. Edgar at that price is a steal. Ben Henderson was taken down by Pettis. People cannot cap fights. For the guy that said Miller is better than Edgar, that is laughable. Go watch them train and come back with that idiotic comment. Plus Miller was hurt/sick going into the Henderson fight.

by Fausto Geraci on Feb 23, 2012 11:42 PM EST reply actions  

i love clueless morons i make tons off idiots like you

i’ll be cashing my parlay ticket and laughing at your dumb ass come sunday morning
keep it up i make lots of easy tax free money because the majority of the population
cant use logic and common sense- you are a prime example

by bonecollector on Feb 24, 2012 2:23 AM EST up reply actions  

I hope you know --

Gambling winnings are considered income and are indeed taxable.

by sarah elaine on Feb 24, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Site Would Be Nice

Would be nice if the site was listed where these odds were pulled from and where we can bet at

by jesterx7769 on Feb 24, 2012 2:36 AM EST reply actions  

"Hunt takes a punch like a redwood"

There was a time when this was a true statement.

Since then there was a time when Hunt got KO’ed by a backpedalling middleweight.

in 16 seconds.

Being "The People's Champ" is like being a Special Olympics Gold Medalist
It just means that a bunch of retards think that you're the best

by Clark Griswald on Feb 24, 2012 1:41 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah that backpedalling middleweight isn't even one of the most heavy handed fighters in MMA.

Oh wait he is? Well then that just makes your post look a little silly.
You act like Hunt is the only heavyweight Manhoef has KOd.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhxulLbe9zQ

by OptimusPiss on Feb 25, 2012 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Bj was an amazing fighter

but he is nearing the end of the road he has only won 1 of his last 5 fights everyone including myself loves the guy but a win over BJ these days doesn’t carry the same weight it did in the past. Maynard had Edgar in serious trouble in both fights and wasn’t able to finish him off by chasing him around and bombing on him. Ben is much more well rounded and would jump on him and choke his lights out if he is able to knock him silly and to place a bet on Edgar because of his last two opponents is foolish MMA math Henderson is gonna take home the belt and your money if you dont respect that

by mullet2.0 on Feb 24, 2012 4:11 PM EST reply actions  

damn finally someone else who gets it

hendo is going to beat edgar so bad that he will
be forced to drop to 145 where he will fight aldo
who will also kick his arce- y hope frankie saved the money hes won
because his 15 minutes of fame are about up

by johnny vicious on Feb 25, 2012 2:20 AM EST up reply actions  

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