Feb 21, 2012 - Back when Ronda Rousey started pushing for a title fight with Strikeforce 135-pound women’s champion Miesha Tate, she built her case on a very simple logic. Despite her relative inexperience in MMA, she argued, the two of them should fight because people would want to see it.
Whether those people wanted to see it because it was a compelling match-up or because they just wanted to see two pretty girls in sports bras sweating on each other hardly mattered, she insisted. Women’s MMA needed fans more than it needed the ethical high ground.
The fact that she got what she asked for tells us that someone, somewhere agreed with her. On Tuesday’s media call, even Tate had to admit that Rousey’s argument made some degree of sense. The sheer amount of PR work the champ has been called upon to do is proof that people are interested, she admitted.
"I’m not in denial about that," Tate said. "I understand the logistics behind it and why this fight would want to be put together and how it has the ability to do bigger things than if Sarah Kaufman and I were fighting each other. Just the hype, the selling points, the marketing points -- I understand all of that, because it’s not just a sport. To me, the sport is the most important part. But honestly, like I said, if nobody wants to watch it, it’s more of a detriment than anything else."
And yet, Tate repeated several times over the course of the more than 40-minute call, "I don’t feel she’s earned it, at 4-0 and having never fought at 135 [pounds]."
Maybe the question is: does it matter? If Rousey is right, and this fight becomes the most anticipated women’s MMA bout since "Cyborg" Santos-Gina Carano, will it make any difference why it happened, or why fans wanted to see it?
Not if you believe Rousey, who makes a convincing, if admittedly self-serving case for the importance of exposure over legitimacy. She picked a fight with Tate because it was the biggest match-up out there, she said. If the two had met under different circumstances, Rousey said, "then we probably would have ended up being friends."
"But I created this rivalry on purpose because I have enough friends," she added. "What I really could use is a few enemies. I think the result of how much attention this fight has been getting proves me right."
She has a point. The Strikeforce women’s title itself typically isn’t enough to move the needle with fans and media. When Tate took the belt from Marloes Coenen in July, the fight took a backseat to the non-title affair between Dan Henderson and Fedor Emelianenko. In fact, in the four title fights that the former champ Coenen fought under the Strikeforce banner, not one was a main event bout. Barring Challengers events, the only other time two women have occupied the top spot on a Strikeforce card was also the first time, when Carano and Santos did it.
The fact that Tate and Rousey have generated enough heat to change that now must mean something, even if it’s just that fans are more interested in women’s MMA when the participants are both good-looking.
"I think that’s part of what makes this fight so exciting, so anticipated," said Rousey. "We’re pretty much getting into unarmed combat, anything’s possible. Someone could die. When you see two girls that pretty much look like Xena: Warrior Princess going at it, that was a show on TV for a reason. People want to watch it. It’s going to be a huge fight and it’s going to change women’s MMA."
At the same time, that one quote tells us that Rousey doesn’t consider any potential appeal to be off-limits. Whether you’re tuning in because you want to see death and dismemberment or something with a more erotic feel to it, she doesn’t particularly seem to care. All that matters is you’re watching and she’s getting paid.
Or, as she put it: "This day a year ago I was working three jobs and struggling to train and do all this stuff, and I just wanted to be done with all of that. I just wanted to be able to support myself through fighting and I wanted to do it as quickly as possible. I didn’t want to sit around and do that for a few more years and slowly work my way up while telling everybody ‘please’ and ‘thank you’ and bowing my head. I knew that I could win the title the day that I started, and the quicker I could get it the better. If giving a couple more entertaining interviews than some of the girls helps me out, then I’m going to do that."
In hyping the fight with Tate, Rousey admitted, "I’ve been being pretty much overtly rude. I haven’t been lying or saying anything I didn’t think [was] true, but I’ve been saying things I wouldn’t say to people’s faces usually because it’s not polite."
You have to admit that it’s worked. Or at least, it’s worked if the goal is to advance the career of Ronda Rousey. As for the goal of shining a bigger spotlight on women’s MMA? It’s doing that too, for the moment. Then again, as the Carano-Cyborg fight showed, that spotlight doesn’t necessarily carry over to the rest of the division once the big fight is over.
Does that matter? Tate seems to think so. She acknowledged the appeal of a fight between herself and Rousey reluctantly at first, and still rarely misses an opportunity to point out that she doesn’t think Rousey deserves it. While Rousey seems primarily motivated by self-interest, Tate insisted that the fight needed to deliver for the good of the division as a whole, especially considering how rare these chances are.
"We have a responsibility as women to stick together and really try to help other girls," Tate said. "...Ronda and I are getting the opportunity for the limelight. The thing about women’s MMA, when you have very little opportunity for mass exposure, you’ve got to make the most out of it. It’s got to be the most bang for your buck."
It’s a consideration that, at least in the present day, men’s MMA simply doesn’t have. You don’t hear male fighters talking about the need to put on a good show in order to help other men. You don’t hear them pushing for certain fights purely on the basis that it will get more people interesting in the sport in general. You definitely wouldn’t catch two male fighters in a promo video that seems like it should have the phrase ‘...after dark’ tacked on somewhere.
And yet, for a women’s sport appealing to a primarily male audience, it’s an angle that works. It’s working for Tate and Rousey so far, as well as for Strikeforce and for Showtime.
That’s good news if you think that what women’s MMA needs is more eyeballs on the final product, by any means necessary. If you’re the type who can’t help but think about how the hype sausage is made, however, the answers aren’t so simple. Especially when it’s this difficult to even agree on which questions we should be asking.
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Rousey is Wrong
Women’s MMA does need fans to survive, but not the type of fans that only look at the fighters as two hot pieces of a$$ who just happen to be competing in MMA.
Women’s MMA gets little enough respect as it is, so they need to stop booking matches based on physical appeal. If they don’t, Women’s MMA will soon look a lot like the WWE Divas division; a bunch of Playboy centerfold’s “wrestling” so teenage boys can get a hard on.
And btw, Tate is exactly right when she says Rousey doesn’t deserve this shot. Its as bad as Jardine facing Rockholt was last month.
by fighthymn on Feb 21, 2012 4:47 PM EST reply actions
Ronda Rousey is Right.
If women’s MMA wants to survive based on the “sport” aspect of cage fighting and the talent of the divisions, we’re all going to be in for a long wait.
Most MMA fans are men, and like it or not, women’s MMA is going to have to occasionally make use of their most attractive female fighters. Attracting “the type of fans” that get hard-ons from watching women fight may not be ideal, but as long as they pay to watch the fights, mission accomplished. If you avoid booking matches based on looks, you’re leaving $$$ on the table.
Women’s MMA needs to be visible before it can be respected, simple as that.
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by McKinley B. Noble on Feb 21, 2012 5:00 PM EST reply actions
There Will Never Be Respect.....
even among male MMA fans if Strikeforce continues to skip over women fighters with legit arguments for a title shot (Kauffman) for better looking, less deserving fighters (Rousey).
Most male MMA fans know that most fights only get made if they make sense in the grander scheme of whatever weight class they are occurring in. Even dream matches fall apart if they don’t meet that criteria. Thats why we have never seen GSP/Silva, Silva/Jones, etc.
That being said, how does it make sense to throw a chick with 4 fights into a title fight in a division she has never competed in? The same thing happen with Keith Jardine barely a month ago and everyone cried foul about it. But now its okay? Sure its okay, because we are talking about pretty girls. Unfortunately, that makes this fight nothing more than a novelty and no one respects novelty acts. For instance, do you respect and take Bob Sapp fights seriously now? Not likely.
If women’s MMA wants respect, it needs to show it to the fighters who deserve it first.
by fighthymn on Feb 21, 2012 5:31 PM EST up reply actions
The truth is that this is an entertainment business above all else
Otherwise, Brock would never have come withing smelling distance of a title shot..
"Alistair Overeem is a Dutch kickboxer who looks like someone at Marvel comics drew a man genetically engineered to fuck your girlfriend."
Hendo/Bisping:
"He hit him so hard that even gravity got scared. Bisping hung in mid-air for a moment while gravity screamed at inertia, "Did you see that shit!?" Then, after a high five, the two universal forces quit screwing around and yanked Bisping's limp body onto the floor." - quotes by Seanbaby
"You are banned from bloodyelbow because Roth was being too nice and your picture" -Tim Burke
by superfknmario__ on Feb 21, 2012 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
Very true, but Lesnar didn’t get his opportunity based on his looks, and if memory serves me correctly (its been so long ago…..) he didn’t jump anyone in line for his title shot (Mir/Nog was booked already, right?) Kauffman got screwed by Strikeforce and her DNA for not being hot enough.
by fighthymn on Feb 21, 2012 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
Fair enough, but the point is that Zuffa will go for whatever makes the most money
Rousey/Tate will draw more viewers than Tate/Kaufman.
I’m not saying it’s right, but it is what it is.
"Alistair Overeem is a Dutch kickboxer who looks like someone at Marvel comics drew a man genetically engineered to fuck your girlfriend."
Hendo/Bisping:
"He hit him so hard that even gravity got scared. Bisping hung in mid-air for a moment while gravity screamed at inertia, "Did you see that shit!?" Then, after a high five, the two universal forces quit screwing around and yanked Bisping's limp body onto the floor." - quotes by Seanbaby
"You are banned from bloodyelbow because Roth was being too nice and your picture" -Tim Burke
by superfknmario__ on Feb 21, 2012 6:06 PM EST up reply actions
That is so horribly true
Honestly, I’m not even a fan of Women’s MMA. I just don’t care about it very much for whatever reason.
It just sucks that Zuffa normally does pretty well with the booking, but, for whatever reason, they have fallen to neanderthal gimmicks to promote women’s MMA. I think that is a bad thing for Women’s MMA, because if the world’s leading MMA company isn’t able to promote it successfully as a sport, who can?
by fighthymn on Feb 21, 2012 6:21 PM EST up reply actions
nothing time cannot fix...
Perhaps Sarah Kaufmann was not in an optimum position to maximize the commercial opportunity represented by this title fight, but nothing that has happened will preclude her from fighting the winner of the Tate/Rousey match. When and if she does, the likelihood is that because of the notoriety gained by the present contest for women’s MMA and for these participants in particular, the Kaufmann title fight will be bigger than it ever would have been previous to the Tate/Rousey fight. That strikes me as a win/win for everyone involved, especially Sarah Kaufmann, who is virtually unknown outside the ranks of long-time women’s MMA fans.
by mu_shin on Feb 21, 2012 11:23 PM EST up reply actions
I can't decide...
I think they could have hyped Tate/Kaugman and had Rousey/Davis on the same card in a number 1 contender match.
They had already started to hype Tate/Kaufman the second Tate beat Coenen. Even if you are excited for Tate/Rousey, it’s hard not to acknowledge that Kaufman sorta got screwed out of a title shot.
That being said, no matter what happens with the women on March 3rd, there are multiple interesting matches that could come out of it no matter who wins either fight.
by steven1crocker on Feb 21, 2012 5:15 PM EST reply actions
spelling errors and redundant sentences...
I really wish you could edit and/or delete comments on this site.
by steven1crocker on Feb 21, 2012 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
I agree that there should have been a #1 Contender fight. At least a fight between Kauffman/Rousey first, if nothing else.
by fighthymn on Feb 21, 2012 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
none of those fights can be main events. not on par with Rowdy and I smell a fart tate
by XingYi on Feb 21, 2012 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
"I smell a fart Tate"
Hahahahah. Yes someone said before me, its been bothering me since she was on the MMA hour(on the phone) but with her still image on one top corner and Rousey on the other.
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Miss Poop face ‘.’
Personally they are not my taste and they are the only ones dragging on this topic of “pretty” just because the media asks them a few ?’s. They could simply focus on the credentials but are weak minded and fall for the media attention.
by iboneu89 on Feb 22, 2012 7:14 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
yes and lube to make it a real spectacle!
(Sarcasm)
If these two tomboys don’t “bring it” we might be seeing the decline of a division(because it isn’t yet established as a sport; WMMA).
by iboneu89 on Feb 22, 2012 7:17 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Great article, Ben.
by JudgeHolden on Feb 21, 2012 5:25 PM EST reply actions
man you've been bringing it lately.
maybe the merger lit a fire under your ass. not saying that i havent enjoyed your writing before, just that i like it more now. Good ass shit…not like it matters.
Rhonda will serve Gene another arm. im convinced that they keep him alive. War Rowdy Rhonda Rousey
by XingYi on Feb 21, 2012 5:36 PM EST reply actions
Rousey keeps on with this WE'RE pretty nonsense.. Rousey, you're not fugly, but you're not exactly hot either. As for Tate...
"Alistair Overeem is a Dutch kickboxer who looks like someone at Marvel comics drew a man genetically engineered to fuck your girlfriend."
Hendo/Bisping:
"He hit him so hard that even gravity got scared. Bisping hung in mid-air for a moment while gravity screamed at inertia, "Did you see that shit!?" Then, after a high five, the two universal forces quit screwing around and yanked Bisping's limp body onto the floor." - quotes by Seanbaby
"You are banned from bloodyelbow because Roth was being too nice and your picture" -Tim Burke
by superfknmario__ on Feb 21, 2012 6:01 PM EST reply actions
I hear ya!
by Martin Arredondo on Feb 22, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
I am excited about this fight
and it has nothing to do with either fighters’ looks.Rousey has run through all of her opponents and Tate is a great challenge. Plus, I enjoy Ronda’s smack talking….I think it makes some fights more interesting.
If you didn’t see Rousey’s last fight, check it out on YouTube. WARNING: Apparently, elbows bend both ways.
by TomFop on Feb 22, 2012 2:35 AM EST reply actions
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