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Jeremy Lin Comment Gets ESPN 'MMA Live' Host Suspended

ESPN suspended Max Bretos for 30 days after controversial on-air remarks.

Feb 19, 2012 - Max Bretos recently took over as the host of ESPN's MMA Live, but he won't be hosting that show -- or any other -- for the next 30 days, after he was suspended on Sunday morning for making a poor choice of words when referring to New York Knicks star Jeremy Lin.

Bretos, who became the MMA Live host after Jon Anik departed ESPN to work for the UFC, was interviewing former Knick Walt Frazier for an ESPNews segment about Lin when he said of Lin, "He's handled everything very well -- as you said, unflappable -- but if there is a chink in the armor, where can Lin improve his game?"

The word "chink" as a racial slur is totally unacceptable. A powerful column from Sean Jensen of the Chicago Sun-Times on Sunday articulates that. ESPN was right to fire an ESPN.com employee who used "Chink in the Armor" as the headline over a story about Lin after the Knicks lost for the first time since Lin entered their starting lineup. A headline needs to be thought over and carefully considered, and using such a phrase alongside an image of Lin is appallingly bad judgment.

But in my own opinion, Bretos did not deserve to be suspended. He made an unfortunate choice of words on live television, but I do not believe there was anything racially motivated in what he said. On that front, I agree with Bretos's colleague Michael Kim, who defended Bretos in a series of messages on Twitter.

"There are thousands of fine, outstanding people at ESPN who I am proud to call colleagues, including Max Bretos," Kim wrote. "I truly believe it was an unfortunate use of words but I KNOW there was no malice there. That came on live TV. But there's a different thought process involved with scripts/copy and headlines. Am I disappointed this happened at ESPN? Yes. But...There is no finer place to work. It is a company that has made diversity in its workforce a priority. I am confident we'll be better because of this in the future. . . . Now if you'll excuse me, my son and I are going to enjoy rooting for the NBA role model I never had. #Linsanity."

Shortly before his suspension was announced, Bretos took to Twitter to apologize.

"Wanted 2 apologize 2 all those I have upset. Not done with any racial reference. Despite intention,phrase was inappropriate in this context," Bretos wrote. "My wife is Asian, would never intentionally say anything to disrespect her and that community. I have learned from this will make every effort to avoid something similar happening again."

MMA Live is scheduled to return this week at 11 p.m. Eastern on Friday. On Sunday afternoon an ESPN spokesman told MMAFighting.com that the network is looking into the question of who will fill the host's chair on MMA Live this week.

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fact

it is insanity to think he didn’t say something inappropriate

by One Bad on Feb 20, 2012 1:43 AM EST up reply actions  

It's insanity to think that the man

spoke with malice. With the scope and reach of ESPN, you think he’s going to just hang himself on live tv by throwing out a racial slur?

by DrainBamaged on Feb 20, 2012 6:04 AM EST up reply actions  

malice or not, he screwed up.

I’m usually one to say the PC police are out of hand, but you can’t use the word chink while talking about Asian people, you just can’t.

He screwed up, he got suspended, that’s it.

by Phildo on Feb 20, 2012 10:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Everyone flag this person as the troll that he is

Hendo/Bisping:
"He hit him so hard that even gravity got scared. Bisping hung in mid-air for a moment while gravity screamed at inertia, "Did you see that shit!?" Then, after a high five, the two universal forces quit screwing around and yanked Bisping's limp body onto the floor." - Seanbaby

"You are banned from bloodyelbow because Roth was being too nice and your picture" -Tim Burke

by superfknmario__ on Feb 20, 2012 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

uh its called a pun, and it is a brilliant pun, but using racial slurs in your puns on ESPN is obviously unacceptable

We are all adults here, we know it was a joke, saying it was simply a commonly used metaphor is like when a little kid tries to lie about hitting someone by saying he was just trying to kill a bug, the possibility is there but we know its BS.

I’m all for fighting PC but not at the cost of common sense, I hate arguments like these. If you want to argue against PC then argue against censorship, which is what this is, diluting freedom of expression by turning it into something that its not goes against the entire point of fighting PC.

by cee lo purple on Feb 21, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Hahahahahahah

This is both funny and sad… Our country is goin down the drain

by Rob2507 on Feb 19, 2012 4:13 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

Hendo/Bisping:
"He hit him so hard that even gravity got scared. Bisping hung in mid-air for a moment while gravity screamed at inertia, "Did you see that shit!?" Then, after a high five, the two universal forces quit screwing around and yanked Bisping's limp body onto the floor." - Seanbaby

"You are banned from bloodyelbow because Roth was being too nice and your picture" -Tim Burke

by superfknmario__ on Feb 20, 2012 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the suspension was just something they felt the need to do to be consistent with the firing (which I feel is warranted). I disagree with the suspension, but I can see why they did it.

by mpacific on Feb 19, 2012 4:18 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I agree with this

A firing was warranted for the headline. The suspension was something ESPN felt like it had to do because it had basically painted itself into a corner because of the headline. If it hadn’t been for that horrendous headline, I seriously doubt anything would have happened to Max Bretos, other than maybe someone would have said to him privately that he needs to be more careful about his choice of words.

by Michael David Smith on Feb 19, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Fcuk political correctness

This is bullshit and if Jeremy Lin was black, white, Hispanic or anything else but Asian we wouldn’t even be having this flippin conversation. UGGH , this pisses me off so much. This is the disgusting, shining example of what our world is turning into.

"They made a Tito bobblehead but that shit wouldn’t bobble, it would just fall down to one side and stay there."
-Quinton "Rampage" Jackson

by BlueJay_ on Feb 19, 2012 4:53 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

fact

if he was black, white, or hispanic, CHINK wouldn’t be offensive, dumb ass. white trash that float through life laughing at bigotry, then get all upset when they’re called on it can all do the world a favor and jump off a bridge.

by One Bad on Feb 20, 2012 1:42 AM EST up reply actions  

"white trash"

it’s a good thing we have fine, upstanding people like you stomping out racism absolutely anywhere it can be found, hypocrite.

by Greasy_Sausage_Pizza on Feb 20, 2012 10:06 AM EST up reply actions  

stop starting every post with "fact"

when you are only stating your ill-informed opinion.

Hendo/Bisping:
"He hit him so hard that even gravity got scared. Bisping hung in mid-air for a moment while gravity screamed at inertia, "Did you see that shit!?" Then, after a high five, the two universal forces quit screwing around and yanked Bisping's limp body onto the floor." - Seanbaby

"You are banned from bloodyelbow because Roth was being too nice and your picture" -Tim Burke

by superfknmario__ on Feb 20, 2012 10:08 AM EST up reply actions  

You sound like a dumb ass.

So referring to someone’s weakness as a “chink” in their armor is tantamount to a racial slur? Again, dumb ass.

"They made a Tito bobblehead but that shit wouldn’t bobble, it would just fall down to one side and stay there."
-Quinton "Rampage" Jackson

by BlueJay_ on Feb 20, 2012 10:34 PM EST up reply actions  

And....

If people like you are so easily offended, than why not just stay inside and live as a recluse or a hermit? What, the whole flippin planet should tip-toe around your precious sensibilities? Welcome to the real world.

"They made a Tito bobblehead but that shit wouldn’t bobble, it would just fall down to one side and stay there."
-Quinton "Rampage" Jackson

by BlueJay_ on Feb 20, 2012 10:36 PM EST up reply actions  

fact

This is ridiculous to think that it is offensive, only overly emotional people would get offended by this. i can see why they suspended him for the over emotional Americans such as yourself; “One Bad”. You cant get butt hurt at every little comment thrown around, you have to look at the intentions of the comments. But whatever its a free country, if you want to be an emotional sissy and cry foul on anything said by anyone, you are free to do it, so I will respect your opinions while I do not agree with them…

by greg.mumford1 on Feb 21, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

You are missing the point of political correctness, what you just said is PC, the very thing you hate. What isnt PC is making a joke like “chink in the armor” referring to a chinese player, if he was simply referring to a breakdown in defense then THAT would be politically correct.

If the world was all politically correct then we would have no jokes, no puns, and this would not be an issue because everyone would know he meant a breakdown in defense.

Everytime you try and turn an obvious joke into something literal you are fighting for political correctness and taking away peoples right to make jokes by destroying the very joke they made.

by cee lo purple on Feb 21, 2012 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Bah

calling this appallingly bad judgement is appallingly bad judgement. The PC police are totally out of control and it doesn’t help when every journalist around jumps on their pathetic bandwagon. Time for people to regrow their testicles and stop acting like a bunch of selfrighteous hall monitors. Sad stuff.

by UncleWaxy on Feb 19, 2012 5:11 PM EST reply actions  

I was a Hall Monitor . . .

and I find UncleWaxy’s characterization to be unacceptable, please BAN immediately, plz.

by Hulka's Big Toe on Feb 19, 2012 5:13 PM EST reply actions  

Relax Francis

( love the name)

by UncleWaxy on Feb 19, 2012 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

As a foreigner...

..can someone enlighten me what “chink” has to do with Asians? I only know the expression “chink in the armor” as having some weakness, derived from the guy in the Nibelungen saga who was invulnerable except for one tiny part of his body which was not covered with something I can’t remember.

by altairograph on Feb 19, 2012 5:15 PM EST reply actions  

Chink

Is a derogatory term used to denote Chinese ethnics, or asians in general

by Hulka's Big Toe on Feb 19, 2012 5:22 PM EST reply actions  

Thanks

Thanks for the reply. I’m curious though: Has there been any reaction from Lin himself to this? Cause all those reporters writing how it is offensive, most of them are probably not Asian themselves, right? I’m curious if Asians actually felt offended by this or if it’s just non-Asian people who felt like this sure would offend them.

by altairograph on Feb 20, 2012 3:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Lin has stated that he didn't think it was intentional

click on the “ESPN writer fired” headline at the top right of this page.

Hendo/Bisping:
"He hit him so hard that even gravity got scared. Bisping hung in mid-air for a moment while gravity screamed at inertia, "Did you see that shit!?" Then, after a high five, the two universal forces quit screwing around and yanked Bisping's limp body onto the floor." - Seanbaby

"You are banned from bloodyelbow because Roth was being too nice and your picture" -Tim Burke

by superfknmario__ on Feb 20, 2012 10:13 AM EST up reply actions  

What Don King Said was 100 Times Worse.

And then Chris Arreola gets a mic pulled away from his face when he called King. In fact, that move by Jim Gray offended me more than this.

by Steve W on Feb 19, 2012 5:37 PM EST reply actions  

Similar situation to when that guy I cant remember from that place i cant remember used the word niggardly. Everyone freaked out. This dude’s wife is asian and the term " chink in the armor" is used in sports all the time. Saying you cant use the term in refference to an asian athlete is more insuting than not using the same terms you would with athletes of any other race. Its only when PC police give these words undue power that it becomes an issue at all. Just drama queens creating more drama.

by UncleWaxy on Feb 19, 2012 5:43 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

fact

just because you’re trash doesn’t mean you should be

by One Bad on Feb 20, 2012 1:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Youd

Dont make any sense. None whatsoever

by UncleWaxy on Feb 20, 2012 10:19 PM EST up reply actions  

100% with u on that

These reporters blow shit outta proportion and point the finger at 1 man when they themselves are instigators. It’s sick that the socalled press let’s this kind of “news” be published. I will say all the racist slurs out there and noone would care. I laugh at those who get offended when the term was not directed toward them.

by iboneu89 on Feb 20, 2012 10:39 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

It's Is Anti-Azianizm

100% anti-azianizm komedy of this klunker media reporter but are such mini-minor point and do small effekt to reality. Only now media game play to soft politkal ping pong. We is all of monkeys in heart all for human peoples. Sometimes monkeys to throwing shit at other monkey for get komedy response. Monkey bizness is always. Oi come for reportz on Euro football games. All of many anti-human supportz commentary from lunatic fanaticals also weapons, fire wurks to krazy riot situation. Czhink in armor nyet problema for NBA. Helmtz need for watch euro football. This is problem of armor.

Strong Russian Cage Girl. Need MMA husband. Nyet couch potato. Really muscles better.

by Ivana Likitov on Feb 19, 2012 5:54 PM EST reply actions  

fact

go back to where you’re from

by One Bad on Feb 20, 2012 1:45 AM EST up reply actions  

One Bad Apple - Haye R U Chisora?

You it’s nasty boy of one bad apple to spoil whole bunch of MMA commentarys. It’s fuct not fact. From you of many nasty guy commentary articles. It’s point of what make for fullish komedy to shit throwing. OK we laff for one moment da. It’s Marley better for mind health of yours – one love, nyet one bad MMA rulz earth planet!

Strong Russian Cage Girl. Need MMA husband. Nyet couch potato. Really muscles better.

by Ivana Likitov on Feb 20, 2012 8:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Anyone else read this using a strong Russian accent?

I love this guy’s posts! LOL

Hendo/Bisping:
"He hit him so hard that even gravity got scared. Bisping hung in mid-air for a moment while gravity screamed at inertia, "Did you see that shit!?" Then, after a high five, the two universal forces quit screwing around and yanked Bisping's limp body onto the floor." - Seanbaby

"You are banned from bloodyelbow because Roth was being too nice and your picture" -Tim Burke

by superfknmario__ on Feb 20, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

arrgh!

( Schwarzenegger’s voice)

by iboneu89 on Feb 20, 2012 10:43 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Pretty silly.

There was obviously no harm meant by his comment and people who take offence are the people who should be deemed as racist.

Hendo/Bisping:
"He hit him so hard that even gravity got scared. Bisping hung in mid-air for a moment while gravity screamed at inertia, "Did you see that shit!?" Then, after a high five, the two universal forces quit screwing around and yanked Bisping's limp body onto the floor." - Seanbaby

"You are banned from bloodyelbow because Roth was being too nice and your picture" -Tim Burke

by superfknmario__ on Feb 19, 2012 6:03 PM EST reply actions  

i thought...

it was “kink in the armor”?

by Carwin_Army on Feb 19, 2012 6:27 PM EST via Android app reply actions  

NYET

it was Czhink in armor i thought – euro perspektif

Strong Russian Cage Girl. Need MMA husband. Nyet couch potato. Really muscles better.

by Ivana Likitov on Feb 19, 2012 6:37 PM EST up reply actions  

BS...just BS

I really think this story is an example of how PC everyone has become. Unbelievable he would get fired for using a cliche, and a well known cliche. ESPN management are really douchebags.

by TheRealDouble.D on Feb 19, 2012 7:17 PM EST reply actions  

Well, not fired, but suspended.

by TheRealDouble.D on Feb 19, 2012 7:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Sucks for the ESPN.com employee who put up the headline.

by b_talon on Feb 20, 2012 1:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed.

“Bretos did not deserve to be suspended. He made an unfortunate choice of words on live television, but I do not believe there was anything racially motivated in what he said.”

by MrJM on Feb 19, 2012 7:17 PM EST reply actions  

fact

wrong. earlier that day an espn reporter was fired and bretos knew it and still said the exact statement. don’t be a follower of all of these dumb asses

by One Bad on Feb 20, 2012 1:47 AM EST up reply actions  

fact

wrong.

Both punishments were handed out at the same time.

by Phildo on Feb 20, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

You know what this makes me think

Would “Marcus Allen running with night” now be considered racist??

by DrainBamaged on Feb 19, 2012 7:22 PM EST reply actions  

he sucks on MMA Live anyway

by bmarqsic on Feb 19, 2012 7:31 PM EST reply actions  

Definitions

Definition of CHINK
1: a small cleft, slit, or fissure
2: a weak spot that may leave one vulnerable
3: a narrow beam of light shining through a chink

First Known Use: 1535

"Ultimately, martial art means honestly expressing yourself... it is easy for me to put on a show and be cocky, or I could show you some really fancy movement... But to express oneself honestly, not lying to oneself, and to express myself honestly... Now that, my friend, is very hard to do."
-Lee Jun-fan

by Spoiler on Feb 19, 2012 7:32 PM EST reply actions  

fact: you stereotype people which makes u a hypocryte

The hypocrisy is so absurd that it doesn’t let u see past your nose. Let Jeremy Lin himself be offended then we make an argument whether he decides it was taken out of context by the media or not.

by iboneu89 on Feb 20, 2012 12:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Is the dictionary a bigot, too?

And, should we all just ditch harmless words (in use since the middle freaking ages) just because some 19th century racists used the word in an offensive way?

If you are talking about a hole, or a gap, etc., and use the word ‘chink’, that is entirely blameless.

I happen to use the word in precisely this context very often in my own work, and I’ll be damned if I’ll let some censorious bastard tell me I can’t use the words I choose.

"Ultimately, martial art means honestly expressing yourself... it is easy for me to put on a show and be cocky, or I could show you some really fancy movement... But to express oneself honestly, not lying to oneself, and to express myself honestly... Now that, my friend, is very hard to do."
-Lee Jun-fan

by Spoiler on Feb 20, 2012 7:53 PM EST up reply actions  

It's Time's Like This

when I realize how much I appreciate Dana White. Political correctness has run amuck in our society and this is a shining example of that fact. This whole thing is insane, plain and simple.

by CRWHITLOCK on Feb 19, 2012 7:45 PM EST reply actions  

Politcal Correctness is Wrong

Heres something simple for all the PC people out there when they see something they don’t like.

YOU DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO NOT BE OFFENDED. You only have the right to not listen and walk away.
If you see something that miffs you then stop paying it attention.

by Marcas on Feb 19, 2012 7:57 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

What Hipocrisy!!!

Why do ‘Asians’ support Lin? Could it be exclusively because of…RACE? After all, contrary to Lin, Tim Tebow WAS actually born in Asia, yet the Asians dont seem to swoon over him ,so dont give me any BS about ‘heritage’ etc.

However, I dont consider racial solidarity ‘bad’ or ‘evil’ in any way, it’s completely natural. What really bothers me however, is the hipocrisy and the double standard of condemning someone for ‘racially sensitive’ remarks in a matter which is 100% racial in the first place.

I was born in communistic Poland and now observe that ‘pollitical correctness’ is practically identical to the censorship and oppression during (official- communism (as is the current egalitarianism).

Ps. MDS (author) should be ashamed for not speaking out against censorship in the media.

by Immuntocrap on Feb 19, 2012 8:09 PM EST reply actions  

fact

yet, bigots like you are just as judgmental. your statement is paradoxical.

by One Bad on Feb 20, 2012 1:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Why do ‘Asians’ support Lin? Could it be exclusively because of…RACE? After all, contrary to Lin, Tim Tebow WAS actually born in Asia, yet the Asians dont seem to swoon over him ,so dont give me any BS about ‘heritage’ etc.

Simple Answer: It’s not about heritage, it’s about representation. There are hardly any Asian representations in popular culture, and when there are, they often follow racialized tropes such as “martial artist,” “brainiac,” and “femme fatale.” Additionally, Asians have been historically racialized in the U.S. as oriental, feminine (based on fears of miscegenation and taking some of the limited jobs available in laundromats, a line of worked deemed lowly by heteronormative discourses). So in addition to being one of the only Asian Americans portrayed in the media, he’s also subverting historically based stereotypes.

From Laurence Berg

"The term politically correct is a reactionary term…[It was] created by people who were worried by [social] changes…that affected their everyday understanding of the world in ways that pointed out their role in creating or reproducing dominance and subordination.""

Together we are Ruining Your Special Night. Twice.

by sun yue on Feb 20, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions  

LOL

Thx for furthering my point. Yes, it’s RACIAL representation.

Ps. Wow quoting that writer really sealed the deal for you…LOL.

by Immuntocrap on Feb 20, 2012 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Michael David Smith.

Please change the title mate.

Jeremy Lin Comment Gets ESPN ‘MMA Live’ Host Suspended

Jeremy Lin didn’t get anybody fired. Someone else brought it up, not him. Apart from his name being mentioned, he had nothing to do with it.

"..That man has to be eliminated." - Fedor Emelianenko

by tkotom on Feb 19, 2012 8:33 PM EST reply actions  

lol

"..That man has to be eliminated." - Fedor Emelianenko

by tkotom on Feb 19, 2012 9:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Just to be clear, you can still say "What a gyp!"...

… as long as you are not talking about actual gypsies…. er, I mean “Roma”.

"Ultimately, martial art means honestly expressing yourself... it is easy for me to put on a show and be cocky, or I could show you some really fancy movement... But to express oneself honestly, not lying to oneself, and to express myself honestly... Now that, my friend, is very hard to do."
-Lee Jun-fan

by Spoiler on Feb 19, 2012 8:43 PM EST reply actions  

True Racism is in the Mind

If the first thing you think of when you see “Chink in the Armour” is chink is derogatory then you need to take a look in the mirror. I would wager the vast majority of people wouldn’t come to that conclusion right off the bat because it is both asenine and out of context. What words you associate to what meanings says way more about you than the speaker.
Suspending someone for using a proper contextual saying on Live TV is far worse than any perceived racism. I hope he sues ESPN for all their worth.

by Marcas on Feb 19, 2012 9:15 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

fact

yet, earlier in the day an espn article was also fired for the same title and bretos knew that. it’s racist and the only people that don’t think that are not asian and are ignorant to the bigotry in this country.

by One Bad on Feb 20, 2012 1:52 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree 100%. That's what I meant by my above comment.

Hendo/Bisping:
"He hit him so hard that even gravity got scared. Bisping hung in mid-air for a moment while gravity screamed at inertia, "Did you see that shit!?" Then, after a high five, the two universal forces quit screwing around and yanked Bisping's limp body onto the floor." - Seanbaby

"You are banned from bloodyelbow because Roth was being too nice and your picture" -Tim Burke

by superfknmario__ on Feb 20, 2012 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

SPINELESS!!

I am so sick of the political correctness (aka Socialist) nonsense!! Grow a backbone already people! Now if intent was there in either one of these two cases, then so be it. But, at least with Bretos, HIS WIFE IS ASIAN! Are you kidding me? You think that was intentional?? Then you are a moron. It is an expression I use on occasion… a common expression. And because Lin is Asian it automatically means that it’s racist in context? And all this Asian American etc. stuff is ridiculous. Why can’t he just be an American? Seems like the p.c. people that are so determined to label everyone are the ones focused on race. ALL OF YOU P.C. NAZIS ARE A DISGRACE TO AMERICA!!!

by jwood2345 on Feb 19, 2012 10:18 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

You just dont get it

“Why can’t he just be an American?”

You mean like to feel a connection/be like brothers just because we all posses a piece of paper with the same configuration of letters on it (“American Citizen”)? Let me guess: you’re white.

by Immuntocrap on Feb 19, 2012 10:39 PM EST up reply actions  

fact

you’re are white and obviously ignorant. it’s hilarious. it’s exactly why you’re getting upset.

by One Bad on Feb 20, 2012 1:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Get your facts straight.

Oh, I’m ignorant? And no doubt you are the one to enlighten me. Did you even read the article? The reason I am upset is because one man lost his job and another suspended from his… all because of a common expression and, as far as I’ve heard, no ill intent. Granted, the fired writer could have used several much better headlines. But, maybe he didn’t know the word was slang. I don’t know the man. Unless these two guys have a history of racism, the entire situation is absurd.

by jwood2345 on Feb 20, 2012 4:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Really? That's all you took from my comment?

“Asian American” and the like is, itself, political correctness. It does nothing to integrate. It actually does the opposite. And fyi, I’m a mutt. I have German, Native American and Jewish descent among others. And if you are implying that if I’’m white I couldn’t know right from wrong, that would be racist. And that’s similar to saying I can’t know abortion is wrong because I’m a man. smh.

by jwood2345 on Feb 20, 2012 4:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Dude you're arguing with a guy who has committed

to starting his last 10+ comments with the word “fact” to flatter his own ego. Rise above this bottom feeder.

by DrainBamaged on Feb 20, 2012 6:16 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Racial diffrences are real

This current politically correct trend of pretending that all races are the same is so insane it would be hilarious if it werent so tragic. Reality is that the various races are (very) diffrent from eachother. How could it be otherwise when for tens of thousands of years they evolved in a completely diffrent environment in all senses of the word (a thing called evolution). Obviously these diffrences are based on generalizations of the various groups, but they are there nonetheless.

For instance, Asians are generally much smaller than both Whites/Eurpeans and Blacks/Africans (obviously generalizations aswell), and that’s the main reason why they usually don’t succeed at basketball. That of course doesnt mean that ALL asians are smalll (Lin, Ming), or that ALL blacks are tall, but generally there is a significant diffrence.

Strangely, nowadays it has become politically incorrect to notice such diffrences, because in this very case generalizing is supposedly ‘evil’/‘racist’/‘prejudiced’ etc. Nonetheless, ALL KNOWLEDGE is based precisely on GENERALIZATIONS. Meaning: there are exceptions to every rule. For example: in the earliest biology classes we learn that a human has 10 fingers, and this is obviously true, eventhough in seldom cases people are born with for example 9 or 11 fingers.

Or consider the rule that one shouldn’t bring his face towards a strangers dogs face. Isn’t that terribly PREJUDICED? After all, not all dogs will bite you so shouldn’t you approach them as ‘individuals’. You get the point.

Finally, the nature of a society is determined exactly by the AVERAGE of it’s members and NOT by one or more ‘INDIVIDUALS’. That’s why generalizing is/should be an intrinsic part of politics. Obviously multiculturalism makes such common sense mostly impossible.

by Immuntocrap on Feb 19, 2012 10:21 PM EST reply actions  

fact

you don’t even know where that hypothesis came from. it was a white supremacist. mankind evolved from africa. it upsets you because in your privileged setting you’re still unsuccessful. you want to blame ethnicity and the fact that in some ways being a minority can be harder. there are more asians in this world than any other ethnicity. we own everything and soon the entire world. we are more intelligent. you will want to say that america has the guns, but we make the parts for those guns and your economy is failing. you are completely dependent on others and will be for the rest of mankind.

by One Bad on Feb 20, 2012 2:01 AM EST up reply actions  

LOL

1/10 for the effort. Now kiss your mommie goodnight and hop to bed kid.

by Immuntocrap on Feb 20, 2012 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

taking aim at journalists

i’m a copywriter (with a background in journalism) and one thing journalists love to do is show how clever and witty they are with wordplay – to the point where it clouds good judgement.

to write a headline with wordplay, there has to be a “clever” link between the words and the story (look at a majority of big sports headlines and tell me this isn’t true). the other option would be to write a “straight” headline (one that’s to the point) which would have been along the lines of: “knicks lose”.

there we clearly have a headline that ties two things together: a team’s loss, with it’s star player’s ethnicity, plain and simple. the fact that “chink in the armour” is a common analogy is an unfortunate coincidence that should have been noted, avoided and never gone to publication.

further to my point, if we had the same story but with a player from another background, the headline would simply be unimaginative and lazy (which our clever journalists would never allow, even if there was less chance it may cause offense).

like i said previously, i think it is poor judgement. likely not racist in intent (and no major publication would ever want to give that impression) but certainly insensitive and a case of a journalist trying to be a poet rather than report.

p.s. live tv is different, it’s on the fly and because “chink in the armour” is a common analogy, it’s understandable whereas typing up and uploading a story isn’t something so immediate.

by kevinlai on Feb 19, 2012 11:07 PM EST reply actions  

WHAT?!

The FoxSports guy Jason Whitlock makes an actual racist comment about asians by mocking Lin’s tiny penis (because he’s asian) and nothing happens to him, but this guy whose wife is asian gets suspended by ESPN for uttering a well known saying on live TV?! WTF IS GOING ON?

If anyone’s being racist it’s the person who decided he should be suspended as they heard that saying and connected it to being asian hence it’s their own racism they’re projecting.

by Xad on Feb 19, 2012 11:08 PM EST reply actions  

I had no idea he was the host of MMA live

Stupid, stupid line. Guess he knows better now

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by Cory Braiterman on Feb 19, 2012 11:12 PM EST reply actions  

As an Asian-American I am offended. Not offended by the commentator remark—but by the pressure on him to apologize for using a totally proper term in the proper context. That is in fact patronizing.

Look, ill intent deserves no tolerance. But seriously, “sambo” is a derogatory term for African-Americans—AND a term for a time-honored sport of Soviet origins that I have done and has contributed a huge amount to MMA. What, should we be afraid to say the word if talking about a black sambo champion?

Let’s not be so childish as to view things so simplicistically. The remark was NOT offensive, and to think most intelligent, articulate Asian -Americans would think it was is condescending.

by LeMal on Feb 19, 2012 11:24 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Thank You!

That was what I was wondering: ARE people of Asian descent actually offended? Or is it just the PC-crowd which feels that it’s offensive, even though most of them aren’t actually of Asian descent? Judging from your statement it seems to be the latter.

Anyway, even if it would have been offensive, I find it truly mindblowing that you can get suspended for one mistake. He apologized. Is it really that big of a deal? Is that what we have come to, that being PC is so important that you can get suspended over it? Can’t we accept an apology and let things be anymore? It’s sickening. How are people expected to speak their mind if they have to fear for their jobs every time they open their mouths?

by altairograph on Feb 20, 2012 3:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Thank you good sir.

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by superfknmario__ on Feb 20, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Good to see the eye-rolling and outrage at PC BS

Whew! You always hear and read about this insane politically correct crap from the mainstream media (and you know which minority runs THAT) and it distorts reality. When I heard that the mainstream media is now punishing people for harmless idioms where no offense was even intended, I got outraged: the only one creating any ill will or harm is THEM, not the dude who said “chink in the armor”.

But then to read all these comments I’m reminded (yet again), that the mainstream media hasn’t infected as many people with phony PC garbage as they lead you to believe they have. I’d be willing to bet that 98% of Americans don’t believe any offense was intended or received with “chink in the armor”, and yet the mainstream media wants you to believe that only a few outcasts aren’t “offended”.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHMoDt3nSHs

by ComicsPlus on Feb 20, 2012 10:39 AM EST reply actions  

yeah, but unfortunately, I am rolling my eyes at your words.

Okay first off, let me start by saying that, i’m with everyone else here….
and yes for the most part we all agree, Bretos should not have been suspended, period case closed.

however, Mr ComicsPlus, please enlighten us as to which minority you are refering to that runs the mainstream media?
And why do i feel that i already know what your racist answere will be….
And again, let me head you off with a question…..the biggest media mogul on the planet is who???
And to what minority and religion does Rupert belong to?
The 1% of the 1%, old, conservative, white and part of the 1% of the 1%.

It is by your own hand that you shroud your own eyes.

by neozoo on Feb 20, 2012 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't know what the hell you were babbling about....

….But you asked which minority controls the media. Normally, somebody is only asking that sarcastically because they already know, but since you didn’t know, here’s a good LA Times article on the subject:

http://articles.latimes.com/2008/dec/19/opinion/oe-stein19

by ComicsPlus on Feb 20, 2012 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

babbling....really....

seriously, what part of my simple post didn’t you understand?

Let me be clear….you live in a right wing bubble.
And i see you totally avoided the rupert murdoch reference.

You conviently throw out the catch phrase, “mainstream media”, without really knowing what that means.
Once again, the largest and biggest media conglomerit on the planet is what????
Not mainstream?
But Hollywood is?

Aside from all of this, who gives a rats ass what any media says, be it, mainstream, liberal, conservative, etc…
If you can’t diseminate truth, then it all falls on you. Noone else.
So, as with all bigotry stop blaming others for your own inability to think for your self.
But, if you choose to believe what others feed you…..that is your free will.
Fortunately, the common theme here is that most think Bretos has been unjustly suspended.

by neozoo on Feb 20, 2012 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

The only bubble here....

….Is the one created by the mainstream media that says that people are “offended” by everything (and that that even matters). That’s obviously a bubble that you choose to live in. If you go up to 100 random people and just say, “Hey, I’m sorry to interrupt, but are you ‘offended’ by this?”, then 99 of them will say, “Nope. Don’t care at all.” Yet, gauging things by the media, you’d think that everybody would get hysterical and full of, “Oh no he di’int!!!” outrage.

It’s all just phony emotion.

I do most definitely agree with you, though, that ultimately the burden falls on the individual to make up his own mind, and not be “informed” by the mainstream media. I cannot tell you how many things people are completely misinformed about because they believe movies and TV and not the real world. (There’s real historical footage from World War 2 on YouTube and all the comments are like, “This is nothing like ‘Saving Private Ryan! It’s fake!!!” People need to think for themselves and not believe that the movie is the real world.)

As far as media ownership goes, here’s more info on that:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zlUGAaKu-c&t=36m44s

by ComicsPlus on Feb 20, 2012 6:01 PM EST up reply actions  

now if they could just suspend everyone else on the show...

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by TheFilt on Feb 20, 2012 11:52 AM EST reply actions  

Very simple...

if you think it’s o.k. to refer to an Asian as a CHINK, then it’s o.k. to refer to a black as a NI**ER, or a Hispanic as a SP*CK, or a gay as a FA**OT , or an Italian as a WOP. If you think any of these terms are o.k., then it’s time to check yourself.

by bezzarguy on Feb 20, 2012 12:03 PM EST reply actions  

The problem with your logic is that no one referred to Lin as a chink

He coined a phrase that is widely used to describe a weakness of some kind. It was in no way meant to be a description of Lin and to think otherwise is absurd.

You might have a case regarding the writer of the headline, but definitely not the guy who said it on live TV. Hell, from what I understand, his own wife is Asian.

Quick question, do any of the derrogatory words you listed have an alternate definition?

Hendo/Bisping:
"He hit him so hard that even gravity got scared. Bisping hung in mid-air for a moment while gravity screamed at inertia, "Did you see that shit!?" Then, after a high five, the two universal forces quit screwing around and yanked Bisping's limp body onto the floor." - Seanbaby

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by superfknmario__ on Feb 20, 2012 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

If this was MMA Live, why speak of basketball?

Am I the only one to notice this?

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FUNNY MMA OF THE DAY- how I miss that section from mmafighting.com

by iboneu89 on Feb 20, 2012 12:06 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Well, this political correctness thing is going to far.

Nearly anyone who speaks English fluently knows the expression “chink in the armor” and knows that there is no slur in it. If that expression were used any other time this wouldn’t even be news.

This is akin to me, as a black male, startling someone…them saying I “spooked” them…and someone else, upon hearing this, claiming that I was racial slurred.

The mere notion of that is preposterous and utterly reprehensible.

by KenpoJuJitsu3 on Feb 20, 2012 12:22 PM EST reply actions  

Are you serious?

this isn’t about political correctness, it’s about thinly veiled racism. “Chink in the armor”? Refering to an a Asian? Do you get the double entendre? If you have an Asian friend, ask them, or better yet, call them a Chink.

by bezzarguy on Feb 20, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I have several Asian friends,

and live in a community that is nearly 50% Asian. We were all already talking about how ridiculous this is.

by KenpoJuJitsu3 on Feb 20, 2012 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

You don't sound like...

an idiot, and you must live in Irvine ( or Garden Grove).I do think way to big a deal is being made of this. My Asian room mate thinks it’s racist, and i’m not comfortable with it either.

by bezzarguy on Feb 20, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

It has nothing to do with...

….“political correctness”

by bezzarguy on Feb 20, 2012 12:51 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

One of my Asian friends of several...

…found it offensive for much the same reason you seem to. He thinks the term chink only came up because it was an Asian being spoken about despite “chink in the armor” being a very very common expression (he didn’t know it was a common expression and actually had never heard it before). Everyone else when we were talking about it thought it was just a normal use of the phrase.

If it weren’t as common as it is I’d feel the same way. But, as I said, it’s just too common to throw my racism detector off.

What [i]does[/i] throw my racism detector off, however, are the endless stories about Jeremy Lin being the “first American born of Taiwanese descent” in the NBA. Yes, I get it. Yes, it’s true. But almost no sports writer seems to write a story about the guy being really talented and a VERY HARD WORKER. All of the stories are about the race angle as if that’s the only thing good to write about him. What about the fact that his hard work is carrying his team? Again, this is something that most of my Asian friends (despite being super proud of him, because he is an Asian role model for some of them) see as an issue as well.

by KenpoJuJitsu3 on Feb 20, 2012 12:55 PM EST reply actions  

Your first paragraph is

..exactly what i’m talking about, that term being used with an Asian- American ball-player. It would mean nothing if it was used with Kobe, or Nowitski…. Lin has proven to be a pretty good player so far,that much we are 100% in agreement on….Damn,must be a slow day in the MMA world……

by bezzarguy on Feb 20, 2012 2:21 PM EST reply actions  

People R sooooo Stupid!

Chink is a word defined as a crack, slipt or narrow opening.
Chinc is an Asian racist remark!

U cant have a Asian in the Armour?

Im sorry if u are Asian and offened by that phase…your an idiot!

Thats like a saying the black dude who played Candy Man looked “spooky” and we blacks getting offended.
PC’ness at its dumbest. Shame on ESPN and i hope dude is either suing and/or still getting paid while on suspension.

by mrbrick on Feb 20, 2012 3:54 PM EST via Android app reply actions  

Also

What is racist is the constant references to his race. Like Asian’s cant play sports or are not athletic. Ummm does anybody watch the olympics, baseball, soccer, mma, etc. Asians have proven their physical abilities for thousands of years and last time i checked, u need the same physical and mental talents to excellent in Basketball as to Soccer (which Asians seem to play well). Coordination, Speed, Good Vision, Strategic Planning, High Lung Capacity, etc. And contrary to the stereotype Asians arent all short (ie: Yao Ming!).
This is a stupid issue created by stupid people.

by mrbrick on Feb 20, 2012 4:18 PM EST via Android app reply actions  

Lame

So ESPN is cool with Craig James reaching far and wide to sabotage Mike Leach’s career,but they dole out pink slips and suspensions for an insensitive remark

by Scrape on Feb 20, 2012 4:39 PM EST reply actions  

Max Bretos

It is unfortunate that Max Bretos chose the poor choice of words that he did to describe Jeremy Lin’s weaknesses but I doubt he was trying to be malicious in any way. ESPN is known for trying to be witty and using catch phrases to describe players, Bretos made a mistake and he is paying for it. ESPN made the right corrections to the problems. The issue is resolved.

Check out this link about ESPN http://www.ufcfightblogger.com/news/espns-mma-live-host-max-bretos-suspended-jeremy-lin-comment/

by UFCfightblogger on Feb 20, 2012 8:24 PM EST reply actions  

A for effort

No, I don’t want to check out your site..

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by superfknmario__ on Feb 20, 2012 10:31 PM EST up reply actions  

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